! ! WARNING ! !

• Brazil - Rodrigo Bueno - R.Girassol 1263-24, V.Madalena, Sao Paulo, S.P. 05433-002 - rdgbueno@prestonet.com.br
• U.S.A. - Stan Schachter - Los Angeles, CA 90001, 213-467-3617

• Brazil - Hafez Barham - hafez@mailserver.portosoft.com.br
• Mexico - Sergio Garcia Reynanaud - sergigar@infosel.net.mx - sergiogarcia@infosel.net.mx

Accused by Roberto Alscher

• Slovakia - Ludomir Malis - Vojenska 117, 93401 Levice, Slovakia. Roberto send him a parcel with crowncaps. Now, 3 months later, he still has not got anything back. (added aug. 2001) After 8 months! on 11th january 2002 Roberto got his package. Perhaps having his name on this black list helped.
• Portugal - Francisco J. Sengo - Rue Jado Schwalbach 4/2 Cova da Riedade,2800 Almada, Portugal. Roberto send him a parcel 4 months. He still has not got anything back. (jan. 2002)
• Norway - Torfinn Jaasund - Jasundveiein 12, N-4056 Tananger, Norway. Roberto send him a parcel with crowncaps. Now, 6 months later, he still has not got anything back. (added jan. 2002)
• Mexico - Victor Manuel Calderуn Sosa - Universidad Autonoma Chapingo,Km 38.5 Carretera Mexico-Texcoco,Cp 56230 Texcoco Edo.Mex. - E-mail caldervicman@correoweb.com. - Roberto send him a parcel with beerlabels on december 8th, 2001. Now, a year later and after sending a lot of e-mails, he still has not got anything back. (added dec. 2002)
• Moldavia - Michael Shipiniuk - Str. Miron Costin 11/2, ap.49,mChisinau 2068 Moldavia.- E-mail mischa2@yandex.ru. - Roberto send him a parcel with crowncaps on june 10th, 2002. Michael does not answer any mail and Roberto has not got anything back. (added dec. 2002)

Of course, I contacted the accusers and they all were sceptic. Is not it Micheal himself who wrote the email. Bob, Ludmil and I agreed to put the email from 'Dmitry' on the site.
One week later Rich contacted me and wrote that he thinks the information in the mail from 'Dmitry' is not correct, because at the supposed time of death he was actively looking at Michails scans. He certainly is not sure who this Dmitry is but he does think he isn't telling us the truth.

May 16th I got the next email from Nikolai Nikolov:
I am not the only one,who has been cheated by Michail Sautkin (utan70@yandex.ru). Some months ago he contacted me,and he wanted to trade.After we decided how many caps we would exchange,I sent him the parcel(with 90 caps).I have sent him some mails after that,but there is no answer.

It becomes stranger now. Is he trying to exchange from 'above', now he seemed to have been passed away??

On March 28th 2005 I got a mail from Tino Nadler and he wrote:
An info for your black list! I also trade with Michael Sautkin in Russia and I sent him in August 2003 a big parcel with 700 different caps included 80 Exotics. I never received his and he is a very cheat collector and donґt answer of Emails. I recommend all collectors never trade with Michael Sautkin.

Accused by Danilo Scalia

• Australia - Phil Black - philblack387@hotmail.com
  6 Mattner Square Lockridge, 6054 WESTERN AUSTRALIA, AUSTRALIA
  Danilo wrote: I have sent him 9 months ago more than 50 Guinness coasters for the same number of Oceania coasters, but I haven't received anything back. It's more than 4 months that he doesn't reply to my emails. (added march 2004)

  On march 28th I got the next mail from Bill Atwell:

  Hi Jan,
  I live at 6 Mattner Square, Lockridge, Western Australia. I want to get something absolutely straightened out, you might say that I am very angry at the moment.
  On your "blacklist" page there is a "Rogue Collector" mentioned his name is Phil Black. He has not only stolen Guinness Beer Mats but he has also 'deceived' many beer label collectors, I know this because he used my home address to do it.
  Phil Black was at one time a neighbor and good friend of mine. When I first met Mr. Black several years ago he collected Whiskey and Rum bottle labels only, and I made the mistake of introducing him to beer bottle labels. I also helped get him started by giving him a shoe box full of beer labels from Europe and other countries of the world and I also helped him place an Ad on one of the beer collectors websites to enable him to find trading partners and as far as I know he did find a couple of friends abroad to trade labels with.
  At this time my wife and I worked all day long from 6am until 6pm and we put our trust and faith in Mr. Black to collect our mail for us. I was told by other neighbors that he also collected Parcels from my home.
  When I realised what he was doing I confronted him and arguments started and after a number of months he moved away to Townsville in Queensland.
  Jan, I do not know how long Mr. Black was doing this for but I do believe he has upset many collectors out there. And because he used my home address I find it extremely hard to find myself any trading partners once I disclose my address to them, so he has almost ruined my hobby for me. Almost each day I receive abusive emails from collectors wanting my blood and accusing me of actually being him.
  If you could please note that I have myself tracked down Mr. Black and his address is as follows :
  Phil Black
  9 Pine Boulevard
  Port Wakefield 5550
  SOUTH AUSTRALIA
  AUSTRALIA
  
  I do not know of an email address for him but I will be in touch with you if I find out, he may be using the same email address he has always used philblack387@hotmail.com .
  I hope that this information will be passed on to other collectors not only for the collectors sake but so I can continue to enjoy my hobby.
  Sincerely
  Bill Attwell, Australia.

  On april 14th I got an email from Luca Pezzato who wrote:
  Hello Jan,
  I've seen your last message of 28/03 from Bill Atwell.
  I was been the last victim of Phil Black infact many weeks ago I sent him different and quite rare exotic coasters and after he received my parcel he wrote me that it was all a great fraud.
  Please note this person is called also Trevor Moore and his email-addressess are: label@ausi.com or labcoaster@hotmail.com .
  He told me that his real address is: 9 Pine Boulevard Port Wakefield 5550 SOUTH AUSTRALIA so I and Bill are speaking about the same person.

  On june 14th I got an email from Umit Ugur who wrote:
  Hello Jan,
  Back in May I warned you about a Western Australian label collector named Barry Hall and most of you replied back saying that you believed Phil Black, Bill Attwell and Barry Hall were all the same person. Well, you were right. They were all the same person. He admitted it.
  After I sent my 5 tough labels (3xNorth Korea, 1 each Iraq and Monaco labels) to Barry Hall, he disappeared. About 3-4 weeks later my labels were put on auction on eBay by Bill Attwell, one label every week. I waited until the last label was auctioned and confronted by sending an e-mail to him. He responded back admitting that he was the one and apologised (both e-mails are below).
  In the past some collectors accused Bill Atwell that he was also Phil Black. He denied by saying that Phil Black was his friend who was using his address. Now we know that they are all the same person. I let the Victorian Beer Label Collectors Society know about this guy.
  Bill Atwell is obviously a disturbed person. He may strike again later on hiding behind a different name.
  Be very careful who you deal with and please distribute to other collectors you know.

  The emails are: From: "Umit Ugur"
  To: "bilattwell"
  Bill (aka Barry Hall, Phil Black),
  How can you explain the 5 tough labels (3xNorth Korea, 1 each Iraq and Monaco labels) I sent to that lowly character, con-man Barry Hall ended up with you? I noticed that you put these labels up for auction one by one hoping that I wouldn't notice it. You can't say that it is a coincidence as we are talking about not 1 but 5 labels, not ordinary labels but tough labels. Especially one of the North Korean labels you auctioned has the same nick on the side as mine. I started to suspect Barry Hall was you when you sent me a warning message after I sent the labels to him and my suspicion was deepened when you didn't want me to pursue the matter with police. I now know that Barry Hall was you.
  I have seen your name in at least two black lists prepared by European collectors. In the past I have received numerous e-mails from overseas collectors asking about you and Phil Black, claiming that they are the same person. Lately when I warned them about Barry Hall, they all responded back saying that they believed Bill Atwell, Phil Black and Barry Hall are the same person. I have read your pathetic excuses that Phil Black was not you but your friend using your e-mail and home address etc.
  It is a pity that we have characters like you among fellow label collectors, bringing shame to Australian collectors.

  Umur got back the next mail:

  From: "Bill Attwell"
  To: "Umit Ugur"
  All I can say about this is that I am totally ashamed of my actions. I am resigning from the vblcs. I have never thought what I did was right and never really felt good about it. I no longer collect labels and I have not done for a while for obvious reasons.
  All I can do is offer you my most sincere apologies Umit. I cannot offer any legitimate excuses for what I have done.

Accused by Han Oldemenger

• Moldavia - Vladimir Popovschi - vova23@mail.ru He also use as an Alias: Vova Wilkes - vova2303@mail.ru
  
  Han wrote: Vladimir Popovschi lives in Chisinau, Moldavia. In januari I sent him 302 caps he selected from my scans. He hasn't send back the promised caps to me. I have asked him about 10 times to sent me the caps or to give a reaction on my mails I sent every 2 weeks, but he never give a reaction. So don't trade with this person !!!!! (added july 2004)
  
  October 2004 I got next e-mail from Matjaz Zupan: I found on your black list Vladimir Popovshi from Moldavia. I traded with him (30 caps), than found him on the black list and was worried about my caps. But after 32 days the caps arrived in good condition, there were even some extra caps along.
  Maybe he has bettered his life. If anyone wants to react, please do.
  
  January 2005 I got next e-mail from Jamal Kashkay: I saw these 2 notes below about Vova Wilkes. I just want to add that I had 1 normal trade with him without a problem.

Accused by Darius Giedraitis

• Moldavia - Vladimir Popovschi - vova23@mail.ru
  Darius also wrote about Vladimir Popovschi. He never got the coasters he should become.

• Netherlands - Martijn Burgman - mjburgman@home.nl
  Darius wrote: He is good guy, but says he has no time to send coasters to me from May 2004. (added march 2005)

Accused by Pascal Stark

• Mercedes Pardo Figueredo - mcdmerche@hotmail.com
  
  On Feb 9-2004 I have sent Mercedes Pardo Figueredo( C/. Varsovia, 84 Bis, 1є 08041 Barcelona) beercoasters, in april she mailed me she was happy with the coasters. But it's now 2005 and she have never send me coasters back.I have mailed here several times, but no contact. (added march 2005)

Accused by Wolfrid Helio

• Salah Abraheem - phonecards_fromiraq@yahoo.com
  
  Be very careful with Saleh Abraheem, he is a con-man.
  Last year in October he sent me an e-mail and offered me 2 Iraqi labels for $1.00 and asked me to send him $50.00 for 100 Iraqi labels. I've got a bit suspicious, however I wanted to take a risk and sent him $15.00 with a registered letter for 30 Iraqi labels (with his agreement of course).
  I didn't hear from him for a while and a month later I questioned about the money and labels. He responded back (in early November) saying that he received the money and he'd send the labels. I've sent him many messages asking about the labels and finally in February this year I received an envelope from him. However instead of 30 Iraqi labels there were 28 common German labels and very bad photocopies of 2 Iraqi labels. I've sent him a message complaining about the labels and asked my money back. I haven't heard from him since then. (added may 2005)
  In October I got a mail from Guiseppe di vincenzo and he wrote:
  Dear Jan, I'm a label- and coaster-collector from italy. I'm sorry but I would like to warn other persons for Salah Abraheem. I have sent him 5 euro to received some beermaterials from Iraq, but till today 11-10-2005 I received only copies of labels by internet. Incredible but this is reality. (added october 2005)

Accused by Julio Cesar Aguirre Gutierrez

• Pablo Tornatore - losmostrodj@hotmail.com
  
  There's an Argentine collector who's name is Pablo Tornatore. Several months ago I sent him 12 bolivian empty beer cans and I never got the cans he promissed me. It's a shame that such a person can be a real rip off, I trusted him. Other collectors please be aware of this Argentine bastard. (added october 2005)

Accused by Vegard Johannessen

• Mindaugas Maminskasi - m.maminskas@centras.lt
  
  November 2005 I agreed with caps-collector Mindaugas Maminskas to swap 46 caps. I sent mine but never got any from him and he has since not answered my e-mails. Something might have happened to him, but anyway this might be information of interest to other collectors.
  His address is:
  Zvaigzdziu 18-13, LT-5300 Panevezys, Lithuania
  (added February 2006)

Accused by Javier Solero

• Marlon Daniel Silva - venechapas@yahoo.com.ar
  
  On March 2006 we agreed to trade 250 crowncaps. He chose from my scans and my page 250 caps and he had to send me 250 caps from venezuela. We traded once before and all was ok, so I did not doubt about him. I sent my caps on April 1. I emailed him three or four times and on April 27 he answered me saying that he had been ill with hepatitis and that he was going to send me 300 caps in return. Until today i have not received any caps and I have wrote him 5 emails with no answer. I asked about him in Davide's crowncaps forum and one person emailed me saying that he also had problems in a trade with him.
  His address is:
  Urbanizacion Ricardo Urriera, Sector#2 Avenida#6 Casa#22, (Valencia Edo.Carabobo), Venezuela.
  (added August 2006)

Accused by Peter Berkvens

• Philip Calvert - pcalvert@nb.sympatico.ca
  
  October 2005 I send him 3 set caps (96 caps). In return he would sent me the Keiths Canadian Name set (103 caps). He never did. I mailed him every month after that but I never got a reaction. I have been cheated.
  His address is:
  57 Maple Street
  Moncton, NB E1C 6A2
  Canada
  (added August 2006)

Accused by Andrew Zub

• Andre Luiz Planinz - planinz@furb.br
  
  I had send to Andre 50 beer labels in exchange for 20 coasters. He wrote, that he received my parcel and I am still waiting his coasters since October 2006. He does not answer my emails anymore.
  His address is:
  Rua Henrique Probst, 52 Blumenau-SC 89037-670 BRAZIL.
  (added january 2007)

Accused by Matthias Schupfer

• Julio Cesar Aguirre Gutierrez - surrapo666@hotmail.com
  The same person who accused above Pablo Tornatore. A cheated cheater??
  I would like to bring to your attention Julio Cesar Aguirre Gutierrez, collector of beer cans from Santa Cruz in Bolivia.
  In September 2005 I agreed with him to make a trade (about 60 different bolivian crown caps in exchage of 2 full beer cans). I sent him immediatly the 2 beer cans and he informed me that he received them. He said also he had sent me the crown caps. Until now I didn't received anything. He informed me that the caps returned to him 2 times and he was trying to resend me the parcel again. 2 months ago he said he sent me the caps again but I have received nothing. I think this collector likes to rip off, he is answering every time at my emails but it looks like he is pulling my legs! (added january 2007)

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